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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 93 05:06:12
From: Space Digest maintainer <digests@isu.isunet.edu>
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Subject: Space Digest V16 #500
To: Space Digest Readers
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Space Digest Fri, 30 Apr 93 Volume 16 : Issue 500
Today's Topics:
Gamma Ray Bursters. Where are they? (3 msgs)
HST Servicing Mission
HST Servicing Mission Scheduled for 11 Days (3 msgs)
Mars Exploration Lecture
Political banner in space
Space Station Redesign, JSC Alternative #4
space surveillance
temperature of the dark sky (3 msgs)
test (please ignore)
The Dream Machines: book on vaporware spacecraft
Vandalizing the sky. (2 msgs)
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Date: 28 Apr 1993 18:07:10 GMT
From: "Kevin W. Plaxco" <kwp@wag.caltech.edu>
Subject: Gamma Ray Bursters. Where are they?
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro
In article <27APR199320210230@stdvax.gsfc.nasa.gov> abdkw@stdvax.gsfc.nasa.gov (David Ward) writes:
>Given that fact, and the spacecraft attitude knowledge
>of approx. 2 arcmin, we might be able to figure out how well BATSE can
>determine the location (rotational) of a Gamma Ray burster from knowledge
>of the all-sky map's accuracy. PR material for the other three instruments
>give accuracies on the order of "fractions of a degree", if that's
>any help.
But I believe that there is a fundamental difference here. The other x
three instruments are focusing instruments, that, more or less, form
an image, so positional errors are limited by craft attitude and the
resolving power of the optics. BATSE is an altogether different
beast, effectively just 8 coincidence counters, one on each corner of
the craft. Positional information is triangulated from the
differential signal arrival times at each of the detectors.
Positional error would be predominantly determined by timing errors
and errors in craft attitude. Since none of the 8 BASTE detectors have
any independant angular resolution whatsoever, they can not be used to
determine parallax. Indeed, parallax would just add a very small
component to the positional error.
Demonstrating that these puppies are beyond the oort cloud would
require resolution on the order of arcseconds, since the oort
cloud is postulated to extend to about 0.5 parsec (all together
now: "Parallax ARc SECond", a parsec is the distance of an object
that demonstrates one arc second of parallax with a 2 AU base line).
If the 3 degree accuracy reported above is true, we're going to
have to add a BASTE to the pluto fast flyby to get enough baseline.
The beauty of BASTE is that it both gives positional information and
watches the entire sky simultaneously, a realy handy combination
when you have no idea where the next burst is coming from.
-Kevin
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 19:20:46 GMT
From: Paul Dietz <dietz@cs.rochester.edu>
Subject: Gamma Ray Bursters. Where are they?
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro
In article <1rmh4eINN95h@gap.caltech.edu> kwp@wag.caltech.edu (Kevin W. Plaxco) writes:
> resolving power of the optics. BATSE is an altogether different
> beast, effectively just 8 coincidence counters, one on each corner of
> the craft. Positional information is triangulated from the
> differential signal arrival times at each of the detectors.
Obviously not. Count rates are too low and signal rise times too long
for this to be possible. The CGRO, is, what, 10 meters long? You'd
need to time to an accuracy of nanoseconds to do this.
What BATSE actually does is measure the relative strength in each of
the detectors (also as a function of photon energy). Each of the
detectors does not have isotropic response. To do this right one must
model the scattering of photons in the material around each detector,
and even scattering of photons off the Earth's atmosphere back onto
the spacecraft. I believe they have now reduced the error to about 2
degrees.
Paul F. Dietz
dietz@cs.rochester.edu
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 19:48:31 GMT
From: "George F. Krumins" <gfk39017@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Gamma Ray Bursters. Where are they?
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro
kwp@wag.caltech.edu (Kevin W. Plaxco) writes:
>In article <27APR199320210230@stdvax.gsfc.nasa.gov> abdkw@stdvax.gsfc.nasa.gov (David Ward) writes:
>Demonstrating that these puppies are beyond the oort cloud would
>require resolution on the order of arcseconds, since the oort
>cloud is postulated to extend to about 0.5 parsec (all together
>now: "Parallax ARc SECond", a parsec is the distance of an object
>that demonstrates one arc second of parallax with a 2 AU base line).
According to my *Glossary of Astronomy and Astrophysics*:
"parsec (abbreviation for parallax second) The distance at which
one astronomical unit subtends an angle of 1 second of arc. 1 pc =
206,265 AU = 3.086 X 10^13 km = 3.26 lt-yr."
George
--
| George Krumins /^\ The Serpent and the Rainbow |
| gfk39017@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu <^^. .^^> |
| Pufferfish Observatory <_ (o) _> |
| \_/ |
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 18:22:51 GMT
From: zellner@stsci.edu
Subject: HST Servicing Mission
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.space.shuttle,sci.astro
In article <1993Apr28.141606.17449@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov>,
bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Brian Day) writes:
> rdouglas@stsci.edu (Rob Douglas) writes:
>
>>[...] But try to land a shuttle with that big huge telescope in the
>>back and you could have problems. The shuttle just isn't designed to land
>>with that much weight in the payload.
>
> Is HST really _that_ much heavier than a Spacelab ???
>
I hate to belabor the obvious once again, but if there had been an Orbiter
emergency in the early stages of the original HST deployment mission, they
would have HAD to land with HST in the bay.
Indeed they were worried about that. One concern was the possibility that
they would lose a motor or something on the way up, and make orbit but one
that was too low to give HST a useful lifetime against atmospheric drag.
I believe the decision was to deploy HST even if the projected lifetime was
as short as six months. In fact we got an excellent orbit, on the upper
envelope of what the Shuttle can do.
I have never heard of any serious consideration that HST might be brought
down for refurbishment. You would have the horrendous cost of transporting,
cleaning, re-testing, and re-certifying all the hardware on the ground, in
addition to the lost observing time and the cost of a second deployment
mission with the risks that we might not get such a good orbit the second
time. And, you would probably STILL need a (third) servicing mission in a
few years as gyros and other components wear out. Better to have two
servicing missions in space (which could well happen) than to bring HST down
and take it up again.
Ben
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 17:19:15 GMT
From: fred j mccall 575-3539 <mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
Subject: HST Servicing Mission Scheduled for 11 Days
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.space.shuttle,sci.astro
In <1993Apr28.141606.17449@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Brian Day) writes:
>rdouglas@stsci.edu (Rob Douglas) writes:
>>[...] But try to land a shuttle with that big huge telescope in the
>>back and you could have problems. The shuttle just isn't designed to land
>>with that much weight in the payload.
>Is HST really _that_ much heavier than a Spacelab ???
I can't speak to sheer mass, but part of the problem is that HST
wasn't built to ever be brought back down. It's not built for those
kinds of 'jolt' forces and there is no support cradle for it (which is
additional weight that would be required.
--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.
------------------------------
Date: 28 Apr 93 12:49:46 CDT
From: Greg Titus <gbt@cray.com>
Subject: HST Servicing Mission Scheduled for 11 Days
Newsgroups: sci.astro,sci.space,sci.space.shuttle
In article <1993Apr27.094238.7682@samba.oit.unc.edu> Bruce.Scott@launchpad.unc.edu (Bruce Scott) writes:
>If re-boosting the HST by carrying it with a shuttle would not damage it,
>then why couldn't HST be brought back to earth and the repair job done
>here?
I'm not sure if this is a big issue, but it seems to me like it
might be -- up till now, all >1g forces applied to the mirror and
its mounting (and nearly all =1g forces) have been applied along the
telescope's optical axis, and against the mirror's base. Reentry
would apply forces along roughly the same axis, but tending to pull
the mirror away from the mount, and the landing would apply on-edge
forces to both the mirror and mount. It could be that one or both
of these would not survive.
greg
--
--------------------------------------------------------------
Greg Titus (gbt@zia.cray.com) Compiler Group
Cray Research, Inc. Santa Fe, NM
Opinions expressed herein (such as they are) are purely my own.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 19:53:40 GMT
From: Rob Douglas <rdouglas@stsci.edu>
Subject: HST Servicing Mission Scheduled for 11 Days
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.space.shuttle,sci.astro
In article <1993Apr28.171915.5013@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
|> In <1993Apr28.141606.17449@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov> bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Brian Day) writes:
|>
|> >rdouglas@stsci.edu (Rob Douglas) writes:
|>
|> >>[...] But try to land a shuttle with that big huge telescope in the
|> >>back and you could have problems. The shuttle just isn't designed to land
|> >>with that much weight in the payload.
|>
|> >Is HST really _that_ much heavier than a Spacelab ???
|>
|> I can't speak to sheer mass, but part of the problem is that HST
|> wasn't built to ever be brought back down. It's not built for those
|> kinds of 'jolt' forces and there is no support cradle for it (which is
|> additional weight that would be required.
Just to throw it out there: The mass of the telescope is 11,600 kg
(25,500 lb). I do not know what Space lab weighs, but I believe it is
less. Can anyone verify??
Also, remember that weight was not the only concern, as many others have
noted, just one possible concern. I was responding to a statement that
if you can boost it, why can't you land it. Those are too different
problems.
ROB
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But with my intellect, I doubt it. Besides, if it was useful
intellectual property, do you think I would type it in here?
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| Advance Planning Systems Branch | SCIENCE | Phone: (410) 338-4497 |
------------------------------
Date: 28 Apr 1993 20:20 UT
From: Ron Baalke <baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject: Mars Exploration Lecture
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.sci.planetary
The AIAA San Gabriel Valley Section is sponsoring the following lecture
on Mars exploration at the Jet Propulsion Lab. Admission is free and open to
the public.
The Next Frontier:
The Challenge of Mars Exploration
DATE: May 6, 1993
TIME: 6:00PM - 8:30 PM
LOCATION: Von Karman Auditorium
Jet Propulsion Lab
4800 Oak Grove Drive
Pasadena, California
The following five speakers will be featured:
A Science Fiction Perspective
Tom McDonaugh
Science Fiction Writer
Mars Observer
Dr. Arden Albee
Project Scientist, Mars Observer - JPL
Mars '94
Dr. Arthur L. Lane
Instrument Manager, Mars '94 - JPL
Mars Environmental Survey (MESUR)
Richard Cook
Mission Designer - JPL
Manned Mission to Mars
Dr. Robert Zubrin
Senior Engineer, Martin Marietta Astronautics
For more information, contact AIAA at 800-683-2422 or Mark Leon at
310-332-1098.
___ _____ ___
/_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
| | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab |
___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand
/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and
|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable.
------------------------------
Date: 28 Apr 1993 17:45:27 GMT
From: "David M. Palmer" <palmer@cco.caltech.edu>
Subject: Political banner in space
Newsgroups: sci.space
u1452@penelope.sdsc.edu (Jeff Bytof - SIO) writes:
>I propose that PepsiCo, Mcdonalds and other companies could put
>into orbit banners that have timely political messages, such as,
> "Stop the slaughter in Bosnia!"
Or how about:
"End light pollution now!!"
Your banner would have no effect on its subject, but my banner would.
--
David M. Palmer palmer@alumni.caltech.edu
palmer@tgrs.gsfc.nasa.gov
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 14:39:16 GMT
From: kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Space Station Redesign, JSC Alternative #4
Newsgroups: sci.space
First, kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Hey, that's me!) wrote:
: : I have 19 (2 MB worth!) uuencode'd GIF images contain charts outlining
: : one of the many alternative Space Station designs being considered in
: : Crystal City. [...]
Second, kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (me again) wrote:
: I just posted the GIF files out for anonymous FTP on server ics.uci.edu.
: You can retrieve them from:
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode01.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode02.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode03.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode04.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode05.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode06.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode07.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode08.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode09.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode10.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode11.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode12.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode13.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode14.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode15.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode16.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geode17.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geodeA.gif
: ics.uci.edu:incoming/geodeB.gif
: The last two are scanned color photos; the others are scanned briefing
: charts.
: These will be deleted by the ics.uci.edu system manager in a few days,
: so now's the time to grab them if you're interested. Sorry it took
: me so long to get these out, but I was trying for the Ames server,
: but it's out of space.
But now I need to clarify the situation. The "/incoming" directory on
ics.uci.edu does NOT allow you to do an "ls" command. The files are
there (I just checked on 04/28/93 at 9:35 CDT), and you can "get" them
(don't forget the "binary" mode!), but you can't "ls" in the
"/incoming" directory.
A further update: Mark's design made the cover of Space News this week
as one of the design alternatives which was rejected. But he's still
in there plugging. I wish him luck -- using ET's as the basis of a
Space Station has been a good idea for a long time.
May the best design win.
-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368
"Good ideas are not adopted automatically. They must be driven into
practice with courageous impatience." -- Admiral Hyman G. Rickover
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 17:02:47 GMT
From: "John E. Curtis" <jecurt01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>
Subject: space surveillance
Newsgroups: sci.space
One of the main reasons nations like the US and RUSSIA observe satellite
that have been launched is FORBs system whick loft nuclear bombs into
orbit which are planned to be detonated in LEO causing EMP pulses
interfering with the target command and control system.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 16:12:49 GMT
From: Henry Spencer <henry@zoo.toronto.edu>
Subject: temperature of the dark sky
Newsgroups: sci.astro,sci.space
In article <1993Apr28.002214.16544@Princeton.EDU> richmond@spiff.Princeton.EDU (Stupendous Man) writes:
> Henry, if I read you correctly, you may be asking "If I put a blackbody
>in interstellar space ('disregarding the Sun and nearby large warm objects'),
>what termperature will it reach in thermal equilibrium with the ambient
>radiation field?"
Basically the right question, although I was interested in cases closer
to home where the Sun is behind either a natural object or effective
shielding.
> If that's the case, let me point out that interstellar dust and
>molecules provide many instances of things that are, well, not-too-far
>from being blackbodies...
> Inside the disk of the galaxy, the temperature varies quite a bit
>from place to place...
Good point (and thanks for the references).
--
SVR4 resembles a high-speed collision | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
between SVR3 and SunOS. - Dick Dunn | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 16:08:44 GMT
From: Henry Spencer <henry@zoo.toronto.edu>
Subject: temperature of the dark sky
Newsgroups: sci.astro,sci.space
In article <C66E1G.KM9@well.sf.ca.us> metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern) writes:
>> ...the temperature of the (night) sky as seen from space?
> You'll find that in Allen, C.W., "Astrophysical Quantities", Athlone
>Press, Dover, NH, 3rd edition, pp. 268-269 (1973)...
#@$#%$!! I *have* a copy of Allen, and it never occurred to me to look
in there... I must be getting old... I'll look it up when I get home.
Thanks.
>... the temperature is 3 degrees K.
I'd remembered a rather higher number, but that may have been for the
lunar nearside, where the Earth is a significant heat source.
--
SVR4 resembles a high-speed collision | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
between SVR3 and SunOS. - Dick Dunn | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 17:52:08 GMT
From: zellner@stsci.edu
Subject: temperature of the dark sky
Newsgroups: sci.astro,sci.space
In article <1993Apr28.002214.16544@Princeton.EDU>, richmond@spiff.Princeton.EDU
(Stupendous Man) writes:
> (Henry Spencer) writes:
>> Does anyone have a reference (something I can look up, not just your own
>> recollections -- I have a few of those myself) on the temperature of the
>> (night) sky as seen from space?
>>
>
> Henry, if I read you correctly, you may be asking "If I put a blackbody
> in interstellar space ('disregarding the Sun and nearby large warm objects'),
> what termperature will it reach in thermal equilibrium with the ambient
> radiation field?"
>
> If that's the case, let me point out that interstellar dust and
> molecules provide many instances of things that are, well, not-too-far
> from being blackbodies. Many different observations, including IRAS
> and COBE, have determined that interstellar dust grain temperatures
> can range from 40K to 150K.
Yes, but that's because interstellar grains are very poor radiators, not
remotely black bodies. As a consequence they are a lot warmer than the
"ambient".
> Inside the disk of the galaxy, the temperature varies quite a bit
> from place to place (how close are you to the nearest OB association,
> I would guess). Outside the galaxy, of course, things aren't so
> varied.
>
When I was in graduate school, a long time ago, we used 10,000 deg K with
a DILUTION FACTOR of 10+4 for representative values of the radiant energy
background in the galaxy due to starlight.
Ben
------------------------------
Date: 28 Apr 1993 15:49:31 GMT
From: binglis <binglis@health.ufl.edu>
Subject: test (please ignore)
Newsgroups: sci.space
Source-Info: Sender is really isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU
------------------------------
Date: 28 Apr 93 10:56:59 -0600
From: Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey <higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov>
Subject: The Dream Machines: book on vaporware spacecraft
Newsgroups: sci.space,rec.arts.books,rec.arts.sf.written,rec.arts.sf.marketplace,rec.models.rockets,rec.aviation.misc
Ron Miller is a space artist with a long and distinguished career.
I've admired both his paintings (remember the USPS Solar System
Exploration Stamps last year?) and his writings on the history of
spaceflight. For several years he's been working on a *big* project
which is almost ready to hit the streets. A brochure from his
publisher has landed in my mailbox, and I thought it was cool enough
to type in part of it (it's rather long). Especially given the Net's
strong interest in vaporware spacecraft...
==================================
The Dream Machines:
An Illustrated History of the Spaceship in Art, Science, and Literature
By Ron Miller
with Foreword by Arthur C. Clarke
Krieger Publishing Company
Melbourne, Florida, USA
Orig. Ed. 1993
Pre-publication $84.50
ISBN 0-89464-039-9
This text is a history of the spaceship as both a cultural and a
technological phenomenon. The idea of a vehicle for traversing the
space betwen worlds did not spring full-blown into existence in the
tlatter half of theis century. The need preceded the ability ot make
such a device by several hundred years. As soon as it was realized
that there were other worlds than this one, human beings wanted to
reach them.
Tracing the history of the many imaginative, and often prescient,
attempts to solve this problem also reflects the history of
technology, science, astronomy, and engineering. Once space travel
became feasible, there were many more spacecraft concepts developed
than ever got off the drawing board-- or off the ground, for that
matter. These also are described in theis book, for the same reason
as the pre-space-age and pre-flight ideas are: they are all accurate
reflections of their particular era's dreams, abilities, and
knowledge. Virtually every spaceship concept invented since 1500, as
well as selected events important in developing the idea of
extraterrestrial travel, is listed chronologically. The chronological
entries allow comparisons between actual astronautical events and
speculative ventures. They also allow comparisons between
simultaneous events taking place in different countries. They reveal
connections, influences, and evolutions hitherto unsuspected. Every
entry is accompanied by at least one illustration. Nearly every
spacecraft concept is illustrated with a schematic drawing. This
allows accurate comparisons to be made between designss, to visualize
differences, similarities, and influences.
This text will be of interest to students of astronautical history,
and also to model builders who would be interested in the schematic
diagrams. Science fiction fans as well as aviation history buffs and
historians of science will also find this book to be fascinating. The
unique collection of illustrations makes it a visually attractive and
very interesting history of the spaceship.
SPECIAL FEATURES
Includes scale drawings of several hundred spacecraft, both real and
fictional
Contains scores of illustrations: artwork, drawings, and photos
contemporary with the subject. This includes extremely rare
illustrations from scarce books and novels, exclusive photos and
drawings fromSoviet spacecraft; rare stills from both famous and
obscure science fiction films, and unpublished photographs from NASA
archives
An index, bibliography, and appendices are included.
CONTENTS
Part I The Archaeology of the Spaceship (360 B.C. to 1783 A.D.)
Part II The invention of the Spaceship (1784-1899)
Part III The Experimenters (1900-1938)
Part IV The World War (1939-1945)
Part V The Golden Age of the Spaceship (1946-1960)
Part VI The Dawn of the Space Age (1961 to the present)
ABOUT RON MILLER
[The brochure has a page of stuff here; I'll try to hit the high
spots.]
Former art director for Albert Einstein Planetarium at Smithsonian's
National Air and Space Museum
Member of International Association for Astronomical Arts, member of
International Astronautical Association, Fellow of the British
Interplanetary Society, consulting editor for *Air & Space
Smithsonian* magazine
Author, co-author, editor, or sole illustrator on many books since
1979, including *Space Art*, *Cycles of Fire*, *The Grand Tour*, and
many others, as well as many articles and papers
Book jackets and interior art for over a dozen publishers
Contributor to IBM traveling exhibition and book *Blueprint for Space*
Production illustrator for movies *Dune* and *Total Recall*
Designer of ten-stamp set of commemorative space postage stamps for
U.S. Postal Service in 1991 (Solar System Exploration)
ORDERING INFORMATION
Pre-publication price $84.50 before 1 May 1993
Afterwards, price will be $112.50
Krieger Publishing Company
PO Box 9542
Melbourne, FL 32902-9542
USA
Direct order line (407)727-7270
Fax (407)951-3671
Add $5.00 for shipping by UPS within USA for first book, $1.50 for each
additional book.
For foreign orders, add $6.00 for first book, $2.00 for each
additional. Additional charges for airmail shipments.
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1993 15:07:19 GMT
From: Keith Mancus <mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Vandalizing the sky.
Newsgroups: sci.astro,sci.space
sichase@csa2.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE) writes:
>pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) writes...
>>Jeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jeff Cook) writes:
>>>people in primitive tribes out in the middle of nowhere as they look up
>>>and see a can of Budweiser flying across the sky... :-D
>>Seen that movie already. Or one just like it.
>>Come to think of it, they might send someone on
>>a quest to get rid of the dang thing...
> In one of his lesser known books (I can't
> remember which one right now), the protagonists are in a balloon gondola,
> travelling over Africa on their way around the world in the balloon...
That's _Five Weeks In A Balloon_. And if anyone can tell me where to
get it, I sure would like a reply! I've been looking for that book for
TEN YEAR+, and never found it. (Note that I am _not_ looking for a $200
collector's item; I'm hoping that *someone* has published it in modern
times, either in paperback or hardcover. I'm willing to spend $50 or
so to get a copy.
--
Keith Mancus <mancus@butch.jsc.nasa.gov> |
N5WVR <mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov> |
"Black powder and alcohol, when your states and cities fall, |
when your back's against the wall...." -Leslie Fish |
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Date: 28 Apr 1993 10:44 PST
From: SCOTT I CHASE <sichase@csa3.lbl.gov>
Subject: Vandalizing the sky.
Newsgroups: sci.astro,sci.space
In article <1993Apr28.150719.10511@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus) writes...
>
> That's _Five Weeks In A Balloon_. And if anyone can tell me where to
>get it, I sure would like a reply! I've been looking for that book for
>TEN YEAR+, and never found it. (Note that I am _not_ looking for a $200
>collector's item; I'm hoping that *someone* has published it in modern
>times, either in paperback or hardcover. I'm willing to spend $50 or
>so to get a copy.
I too am a Jules Verne collector, and can tell you that though tough
to find, it *is* out there. I keep my eyes open all the time for his
books at various Bay Area used book stores, and every once in a while
get *very* lucky. You just need diligence. I don't know if the book
store situation near JSC is as good as the Bay Area, but good luck.
I have also had excellent luck at the Antiquarian Book Fair which comes
to SF every other year, though the prices are more in the $100-$200 range
than the $50 you want to spend. My guess is that *if* you find it,
you won't need to spend even that much, since most people don't care
about it. I think I paid about $15 for my dust-jacket-less but otherwise
good condition copy, which I found one day at a small bookshop that happened
to have just bought a lot of random books at an estate sale.
Of course, if you re willing to buy blind, you can put a $2 advertisement
in the Antiquarian Bookseller's newsletter (the exact title of which escapes
me at the moment.) _Five Weeks in a Balloon_ is not the rarest of Jules
Verne books. Someone has it for sale somewhere, and the AB is the way to
find it. In fact, I would be surprised if you didn't get multiple offers
of sale. Of course, that takes the fun out of hunting for it yourself...
Good luck.
-Scott
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